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Old 08-03-2009, 08:14 PM
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I was gonna keep my nose out, but I just can't.
Red & Trip, from the sound of it, you seem pretty level headed, and I too believe in smaller government - but all we've seen is explosive growth of government spending over the last two decades. And you cannot just hang it on the 'left'. When you create dependencies like we have here in America, they need to be administered.
Alot of my frustration comes down to precisely the propaganda spouted at these so-called grass roots rally (which are not, btw), and echoed in Pred's 'brown shirts' comments. You realize who the 'brown shirts' were, right? authoritarian nationalists with Corporatist economic philosophies. Precisely what's ruined public access to health care (Republican's Medicare Part D anyone?), the auto industry (protectionism over competitive market balances, Dem & Republican alike supporting free-trade over tariffs), and general interference by the hawks in government in non-defensive maneuvers against other democratically elected governments.
I stay away from attacking even these nutty tea baggers with their manipulated philosophies because I do believe that an engaged electorate is a better one, no matter the leanings it spurs debate, but baseless slander is what's dividing our populous. Bring the facts, and I have yet to here any on here about how even the cash for clunkers hurt - it was a targeted maneuver to spur auto spending, assisting the supply chains that were not bailed out, with long term implication to assist in focusing the auto makers on more fuel efficient vehicles - capped @ $1B or expiration in November, and it worked perfectly! One billion sounds like alot, but is not at our recent burn rate for immediate results.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:22 PM
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Just like what Major Garrett asked of Obama during the Iranian riots, "What too you so long?"

Welcome to the party post . I was going ot parse your post but it just wouldn't look right and I don't have a rifle that will shoot far enough, lol.

Seriously, please refrain from the "Nutty Tea Baggers" comments you sound like Jeanane Garofalo and I hope you wouldn't want that.


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Old 08-03-2009, 08:33 PM
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Put all the fuckin' smiley faces you want in it pred, but you still got no game, no facts, and all dangerous propaganda - and are just insulting me with the messiah shit - I didn't vote for him, but do support many of the curbs he 'intends ' to put in effect against the damage commenced on behalf of the previously reckless administration.
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I could have edited out the source but didn't. IF there is a source on the Left that has taken the time to research the bill and has detailed references to the good things it can accomplish, then please, by all means post it in here. If I find one I will post it here as well unless someone else does.
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There is NOTHING good that can come of Obamacare.

It will not get passed and will sink the remainder of the Messiah's presidency.
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I would love to go there. I love museums in general. Unfortuntely New York is about as accessible to me as Mars is. But you never know. I've easily spent the day in the Experience Music Project/ SciFi Museum in Seattle. Artifacts always fire me up.

I understand glaciers and continents and such moving at rates that we can't percieve with our senses, although the whole "Where Does the Universe End?" question always weirds me out. As far as politics go, I'm a big believer in thinking 100 years into the future. My point about third parties is that in the relatively short history of the United States, third parties are always the refuge of rogues and ne'er do wells. And there's nothing going on right now to indicate that third parties will be anything but fringe elements for at least the next few election cycles. Sure, change comes, but in the United States at least, it comes within the framework of the two party system. Look at the how the Repubs- Dems switched roles since the Civil War. The change still came within that framework. And frankly, I prefer it that way. I doubt as a society we could handle the goofball colloition governments that are the hallmark of Western European democracies. We couldn't handle that kind of chaos. When the economy hiccupped last year all we heard was that it was worse than the Great Depression. Unfortuntely, I remember the mid '70's and late 80's, which were both also "worse than the Great Depression". But folks eat that up. We're an especially skittish people, for whatever reason.

I think a lot of the problem is that we take our freedoms for granted. No matter how bad it gets, Obamacare, Patriot Act, whatever your oppressive government fear may be, we're still the most free society on the face of the Earth. But we're quick to offer up our freedom. In the name of safety, free health care, whatever. That scares me more than any one piece of legislation.

Way the fuck off on a tangent,
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:18 PM
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Would it be possible to get us all in one place? At one time? Without threats of anal rape being hurled around? I'm interested.

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how quick to judge...cmon now
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I truly hope you don't believe that, dude. And if you do, I truly hope you rethink it. I disagree strongly with the Electoral College system, and would definitely back throwing it on the ash heap of history. But you can't fall into the trap of thinking your vote doesn't matter. I actually think most individual politicians are fairly true of heart (OK, I'm still a wide eyed idealist), but the System (the Man, the Government, whatever) wants you to believe your vote doesn't matter. Once you believe that, they've won.

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